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GENERAL INFORMATION
No. 3451 LOG DUMP CARS
No. 3461 LOG DUMP CARS
No. 3461-25 LOG DUMP CARS
GENERAL INFORMATION
Many of the differences that indicate the year(s) of production have to do with the trucks and couplers. Below is a guide to understanding these differences.
flying shoe truck with brown fiber board, the coupler head is only riveted to the support
1946
staple end trucks with coil couplers, the coupler head is riveted and swedged (pinched) to the support
1946
staple end trucks with coil couplers, the coupler head is riveted and staked (crosswise) to the support
1947 – 1948
plain web on knuckle, black pin
1945 – 1953
engraved web on knuckle, black pin
1954
engraved web on knuckle, black pin and uncoupling tab
1954
engraved web on knuckle, silver pin and uncoupling tab
1955 – 1956
engraved web on knuckle, silver pin and uncoupling tab, hole in back of coupler head
1957 – 1958
rivet flared down in the magnetic activator flap, without hole in activator flap
1948 early
rivet flared down in the magnetic activator flap, with hole in activator flap
1948 – 1949
rivet flared up in the magnetic activator flap,
with hole in activator flap
1950 – 1958
13/16″ hole in the frame with three circular tabs
1946
11/4″ hole in the frame without circular tabs, where the hole adjoins the side frame there is no support fillet
1946 – 1947
11/4″ hole in the frame without circular tabs, where the hole adjoins the side frame the support fillet is removed
1948 – 1949
11/8″ hole in the frame without circular tabs, where the hole adjoins the side frame the support fillet is not removed
1950 – 1954
LOGS
all log cars came with five logs for a load, early were unstained and later stained dark, the shades of dark varied a lot
No. 3451 AUTOMATIC LUMBER CARS
THE CARS
No. 3451 AUTOMATIC LUMBER CARS
1946
diecast frame painted black with silver rubber stamped lettering
brake wheel on one end only
the four stakes on the fixed side are removable the four stakes on the pivot side are not
with 13/16″ hole in the frame with three circular tabs
blue connecting wires
two operating staple end trucks with coil couplers, the coupler head is riveted and swedged (pinched) to the support
D0009
with 13/16″ hole in the frame with three circular tabs
staple end trucks with coil couplers, the coupler head is riveted and swedged (pinched) to the support
blue wires
No. 3451 AUTOMATIC LUMBER CARS
1946 – 1947
diecast frame painted black with silver rubber stamped lettering
brake wheel on one end only
the four stakes on the fixed side are removable the four stakes on the pivot side are not
with 13/16″ hole in the frame with three circular tabs
blue connecting wires
staple end trucks with coil couplers, the coupler head is riveted and staked (crosswise) to the support
D0010
the shinny pin in the left coupler head is a repair pin, not original
with 13/16″ hole in the frame with three circular tabs
blue connecting wires
staple end trucks with coil couplers, the coupler head is riveted and staked (crosswise) to the support
No. 3451 AUTOMATIC LUMBER CARS
1947
diecast frame painted black with silver rubber stamped lettering
brake wheel on one end only
the four stakes on the fixed side are removable the four stakes on the pivot side are not
11/4″ hole in the frame without circular tabs, where the hole adjoins the side frame there is no support fillet
blue connecting wire
staple end trucks with coil couplers, the coupler head is riveted and swedged (pinched) to the support
D0057
11/4″ hole in the frame without circular tabs, where the hole adjoins the side frame there is no support fillet (the black wire on the right is not factory), staple end trucks with coil couplers, the coupler head is riveted and swedged (pinched) to the support
No. 3451 AUTOMATIC LUMBER CARS
1947
diecast frame painted black with silver rubber stamped lettering
brake wheel on one end only
the four stakes on the fixed side are removable the four stakes on the pivot side are not
11/4″ hole in the frame without circular tabs, where the hole adjoins the side frame there is no support fillet
staple end trucks with coil couplers, the coupler head is riveted and staked (crosswise) to the support
D0011
11/4″ hole in the frame without circular tabs, where the hole adjoins the side frame there is no support fillet, staple end trucks with coil couplers, the coupler head is riveted and staked (crosswise) to the support
rewired
No. 3451 AUTOMATIC LUMBER CARS
1947
diecast frame painted black with smaller silver rubber stamped lettering
brake wheel on one end only
the four stakes on the fixed side are removable the four stakes on the pivot side are not
11/4″ hole in the frame without circular tabs, where the hole adjoins the side frame there is no support fillet
with blue and black wires
staple end trucks with coil couplers, the coupler head is riveted and staked (crosswise) to the support
D0044
11/4″ hole in the frame without circular tabs, where the hole adjoins the side frame there is no support fillet, staple end trucks with coil couplers, the coupler head is riveted and staked (crosswise) to the support
No. 3451 AUTOMATIC LUMBER CAR
1947 – 1948
diecast frame painted black with white heat stamped lettering
brake wheel on one end only
the four stakes on the fixed side are removable the four stakes on the pivot side are not
11/4″ hole in the frame without circular tabs, where the hole adjoins the side frame the support fillet is removed
with black wires
staple end trucks with coil couplers, the coupler head is riveted and staked (crosswise) to the support
D0012
11/4″ hole in the frame without circular tabs, where the hole adjoins the side frame the support fillet is removed
with black wires
staple end trucks with coil couplers, the coupler head is riveted and staked (crosswise) to the support
INSTRUCTION SHEETS
No. 3451 – 27 dated 5 – 47, printed blue on blue paper, four pages
No. 3451 – 27 dated 2 – 48, printed blue on blue paper, four pages
BOXES
No. 3461 AUTOMATIC LUMBER CARS
THE CARS
No. 3461 AUTOMATIC LUMBER CARS
1949 early
diecast frame painted black with white heat stamped lettering
brake wheel on one end only
the four stakes on the fixed side are removable the four stakes on the pivot side are not
11/4″ hole in the frame without circular tabs, where the hole adjoins the side frame the support fillet is removed
with black wires
staple end trucks with magnetic couplers, without hole in activator flap, rivet flared down
D0015
11/4″ hole in the frame without circular tabs, where the hole adjoins the side frame the support fillet is removed
with black wires
staple end trucks with magnetic couplers, without hole in activator flap, rivet flared down
No. 3461 AUTOMATIC LUMBER CARS
1949
diecast frame painted black with silver rubber stamped lettering
brake wheel on one end only
the four stakes on the fixed side are removable the four stakes on the pivot side are not
11/4″ hole in the frame without circular tabs, where the hole adjoins the side frame the support fillet is removed
with black wires
staple end trucks with magnetic couplers, with hole in activator flap, rivet flared down
D0013
11/4″ hole in the frame without circular tabs, where the hole adjoins the side frame the support fillet is removed
with black wires
staple end trucks with magnetic couplers, with hole in activator flap, rivet flared down
No. 3461 AUTOMATIC LUMBER CARS
1949
diecast frame painted black with white heat stamped lettering
brake wheel on one end only
the four stakes on the fixed side are removable the four stakes on the pivot side are not
11/4″ hole in the frame without circular tabs, where the hole adjoins the side frame the support fillet is removed
with black wires
staple end trucks with magnetic couplers, with hole in activator flap, rivet flared down
D0047
11/4″ hole in the frame without circular tabs, where the hole adjoins the side frame the support fillet is removed
with black wires
staple end trucks with magnetic couplers, with hole in activator flap, rivet flared down
No. 3461 AUTOMATIC LUMBER CARS
1950 – 1951
diecast frame painted black with white heat stamped lettering
brake wheel on one end only
the four stakes on the fixed side are removable the four stakes on the pivot side are not
11/8″ hole in the frame without circular tabs, where the hole adjoins the side frame the support fillet is not removed
with black wires
staple end trucks with magnetic couplers, with hole in activator flap, rivet flared up
D0016
11/8″ hole in the frame without circular tabs, where the hole adjoins the side frame the support fillet is not removed
with black wires
staple end trucks with magnetic couplers, with hole in activator flap, rivet flared up
No. 3461 AUTOMATIC LUMBER CARS
1950
diecast frame painted black with silver rubber stamped lettering
brake wheel on one end only
the four stakes on the fixed side are removable the four stakes on the pivot side are not
11/8″ hole in the frame without circular tabs, where the hole adjoins the side frame the support fillet is not removed
with black wires
bar end trucks with magnetic couplers, with hole in activator flap, rivet flared up
D0014
11/8″ hole in the frame without circular tabs, where the hole adjoins the side frame the support fillet is not removed
with black wires
bar end trucks with magnetic couplers, with hole in activator flap, rivet flared up
No. 3461 AUTOMATIC LUMBER CARS
1952
diecast frame painted black with white heat stamped lettering
brake wheel on one end only
the four stakes on the fixed side are removable the four stakes on the pivot side are not
11/8″ hole in the frame without circular tabs, where the hole adjoins the side frame the support fillet is not removed
with black wires
bar end trucks with magnetic couplers, with hole in activator flap, rivet flared up
D0017
11/8″ hole in the frame without circular tabs, where the hole adjoins the side frame the support fillet is not removed
with black wires
bar end trucks with magnetic couplers, with hole in activator flap, rivet flared up
INSTRUCTION SHEETS
No. 3461 – 11 dated 2 – 49, printed blue on blue paper, four pages
No. 3461 – 11 dated 11 – 49, printed blue on blue paper, four pages
No. 3461 – 11 dated 2 – 50, printed blue on white paper, four pages
No. 3461 – 11 dated 4 – 50, printed blue on white paper, four pages
No. 3461 – 11 dated 9 – 50, printed blue on white paper, four pages
No. 3461 – 11 dated 2 – 52, printed blue on white paper, four pages
No. 3461 – 11 dated 1 – 54, printed blue on white paper, four pages
BOXES
No. 3461-25 LOG DUMP CARS
THE CARS
No. 3461-25 LOG DUMP CARS
1954
diecast frame painted green with white heat stamped lettering
brake wheel on one end only
the four stakes on the fixed side are removable the four stakes on the pivot side are not
11/8″ hole in the frame without circular tabs, where the hole adjoins the side frame the support fillet is not removed
with black wires
bar end trucks with magnetic couplers, with hole in activator flap, rivet flared up
D0048
11/8″ hole in the frame without circular tabs, where the hole adjoins the side frame the support fillet is not removed
with black wires
bar end trucks with magnetic couplers, with hole in activator flap, rivet flared up
BOXES
mid classic box flap number 3461 – 15
